Show pageBack to top This page is read only. You can view the source, but not change it. Ask your administrator if you think this is wrong. ====== Those Who Sit Above in Shadow ====== ===== Part 1: The Dossier: An At-a-Glance Summary ===== * **Core Identity:** **Those Who Sit Above in Shadow are an enigmatic race of formless, god-like celestial beings who exist on a higher plane of reality, perpetually sustaining themselves by feeding on the potent energies released by the cyclical death and rebirth of the Asgardians in the endless loop of Ragnarok.** * **Key Takeaways:** * **Role in the Universe:** Often called the "gods of the gods," their fundamental purpose is that of cosmic parasites. They engineered the repeating cycle of [[ragnarok|Ragnarok]] to serve as a cosmic farm, harvesting the Asgardian pantheon's life force as their primary source of sustenance. * **Primary Impact:** Their existence revealed that the entire history of [[asgard|Asgard]] and its gods was a pre-ordained, manufactured narrative. This discovery empowered [[thor|Thor]] to finally break the cycle, defy his destiny, and achieve a new level of cosmic awareness and power by ending their parasitic influence forever. * **Key Incarnations:** They are a concept exclusive to the Earth-616 comic book universe. In the [[mcu|Marvel Cinematic Universe]], this entire layer of cosmic horror is absent; Ragnarok is presented as a singular, linear prophecy fulfilled by [[hela|Hela]] and [[surtur]], not a repeating cycle orchestrated by higher beings. ===== Part 2: Origin and Evolution ===== ==== Publication History and Creation ==== Those Who Sit Above in Shadow made their dramatic and reality-altering first appearance in **//Thor// (Vol. 2) #84**, published in December 2004. This issue was a pivotal chapter in the "Ragnarok" story arc, which itself was part of the wider Marvel Comics crossover event known as "**[[avengers_disassembled|Avengers Disassembled]]**." This event was designed to fundamentally shake up the status quo for Marvel's flagship teams and characters. The concept was introduced by writer **Michael Avon Oeming** and artist **Andrea Di Vito**. Their run on //Thor// sought to bring a definitive and meaningful end to the Asgardian pantheon, paying off decades of foreshadowing about their prophesied doom. The creation of Those Who Sit Above in Shadow was a masterstroke of meta-narrative storytelling. Instead of making Ragnarok a simple story of gods fighting monsters, Oeming transformed it into a profound exploration of destiny, free will, and the very nature of stories. These "gods of gods" represented the ultimate puppet masters, turning the heroic sagas of Thor and his kin into a cosmic feeding trough. Their introduction served to elevate the stakes of Ragnarok from the end of a kingdom to the potential liberation of an entire race from a cruel, cyclical prison. This re-contextualization of Asgardian history remains one of the most significant retcons in Thor's mythology, providing a definitive in-universe explanation for why Ragnarok was always fated but never final. ==== In-Universe Origin Story ==== The true origins of Those Who Sit Above in Shadow are shrouded in cosmic mystery, as they exist outside the conventional bounds of time and space. They are not beings born of a world but are closer to sentient ideas or forces of nature that achieved consciousness. Their history is inextricably linked to the history of Asgard itself, as they are the secret architects of its eternal suffering. === Earth-616 (Prime Comic Universe) === In the prime Marvel continuity, Those Who Sit Above in Shadow are ancient, formless entities whose existence predates the current incarnation of Asgard. They are energy beings who discovered that the unique divine energy of the Asgardians was a potent source of nourishment. More specifically, they found that the raw, chaotic, and belief-drenched energy released during the cataclysm of Ragnarok was the most exquisite sustenance imaginable. To ensure a perpetual food source, they did not simply observe Ragnarok; they //engineered// it into a never-ending cycle. They became the unseen gods of the Asgardian gods, manipulating the threads of fate to ensure that Asgard would always rise, prosper, and then be utterly destroyed in a blaze of glory, only to be reborn and repeat the process. They created the **Loom of Fates**, tended to by the Norns, as the mechanism for their control, weaving the lives of every Asgardian into a story that always had the same tragic ending. [[odin|Odin Borson]] was the first Asgardian to become aware of their terrifying existence. Through his relentless pursuit of knowledge, including sacrificing his own eye for cosmic wisdom, he glimpsed the truth: that his people were trapped. He learned that he himself, along with Thor, Loki, and all the others, were merely echoes or successive incarnations of earlier gods who had lived and died in previous cycles. This horrifying revelation defined his entire reign. His seemingly tyrannical actions, his obsessive planning, and his relentless drive to make Thor stronger were all part of a desperate, multi-millennia-long strategy to create a son powerful enough to finally //break// the cycle. However, every attempt failed. Each time, the story played out as written, and the Asgardians were consumed, only to be reborn with no memory of their past lives, ready for the next harvest. Those Who Sit Above in Shadow remained unseen, unheard, and well-fed. This cycle was finally broken by the Thor of Earth-616. During the final Ragnarok, Thor followed in his father's footsteps, sacrificing both of his eyes and hanging from the World Tree, Yggdrasil, to gain the ultimate wisdom. He saw beyond life and death, beyond the end of all things, and perceived the shadow gods who pulled the strings. Armed with this knowledge and the Odinforce, he confronted them directly. He shattered the Loom of Fates, destroyed the pre-written narrative, and refused to play his part in the final battle. By allowing Asgard to be destroyed by Surtur but ensuring the essence of its people survived, he effectively starved Those Who Sit Above in Shadow, severing their connection to the Nine Realms and ending their reign of cosmic terror for good. === Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) === In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, **Those Who Sit Above in Shadow do not exist**. The concept of a cyclical Ragnarok orchestrated by a higher pantheon is entirely absent from the film and television continuity. The MCU's interpretation of Ragnarok, primarily depicted in the film `[[thor_ragnarok|Thor: Ragnarok]]`, is a singular, linear, and prophetic event. The MCU's Ragnarok is framed not as a repeating cosmic harvest but as a final historical reckoning for Asgard. The prophecy foretells the kingdom's destruction at the hands of the fire giant Surtur. This prophecy is ultimately fulfilled as a direct consequence of Odin's past sins, specifically his violent, colonialist history with his firstborn child, [[hela|Hela, the Goddess of Death]]. The key differences are: * **Nature of the Event:** In the MCU, Ragnarok is a one-time apocalypse that destroys Asgard's physical location. In the comics, it was a recurring event that destroyed its people, who were then reborn. * **Cause:** The MCU's Ragnarok is caused by the direct actions of its antagonists—Hela's return and Surtur's prophesied role. The comic version is a secretly manipulated event caused by parasitic god-beings. * **Thematic Focus:** The film's theme is that "Asgard is a people, not a place," focusing on refugees, escaping a violent past, and redefining one's home. The comic storyline's theme is a battle for free will against a predetermined destiny, a rebellion against the very nature of one's own story. The MCU streamlines this mythology for a cinematic audience, replacing the complex, meta-narrative horror of Those Who Sit Above with a more personal and character-driven story about family legacy and imperial guilt. The role of "higher cosmic power" in the MCU is filled by other entities like the Celestials, Eternity, or the Watchers, none of whom share the specific parasitic relationship that Those Who Sit Above had with Asgard. ===== Part 3: Mandate, Structure & Nature ===== === Earth-616 (Prime Comic Universe) === The core mandate and entire existence of Those Who Sit Above in Shadow are defined by one singular purpose: **self-preservation through the consumption of divine energy**. They are, in the simplest terms, cosmic farmers, and the Asgardian race is their crop. ==== Nature and Powers ==== * **Formless Beings:** They are naturally non-corporeal, existing as sentient energy on a dimensional plane above the one inhabited by the Asgardians. They have no true physical form, though they can project shadowy likenesses of the gods they manipulate, appearing as silent, dark echoes of Thor, Odin, and others. This mimicry is both a mockery and a reflection of their deep connection to their "story." * **Reality & Narrative Manipulation:** Their primary power is the ability to manipulate reality on a grand, metaphysical scale, but it is specifically focused on the "story" of Asgard. They are the ultimate authors of the Asgardian saga. Through the Loom of Fates, they could dictate the birth, life, actions, and death of every Asgardian to ensure the Ragnarok cycle proceeded as required. * **Immense Power:** They are immensely powerful, capable of creating and destroying an entire pantheon of gods at will. When Thor finally confronts them, he is empowered by the full might of the Odinforce and the wisdom of the Runes, placing him on a transcendental level of power, and even then, destroying their //influence// rather than their beings is the only viable path to victory. * **Cosmic Awareness:** They exist outside of linear time and perceive the entire Asgardian cycle as a single, repeating event. They are aware of every iteration of Ragnarok that has ever occurred. ==== Structure and Hierarchy ==== There is no evidence of a complex internal structure or hierarchy among Those Who Sit Above in Shadow. They appear to act as a singular, unified consciousness with a shared goal. They are less of an organization and more of a collective force, like a flock or a hive. They do not communicate in a conventional sense but seem to share a unified will. When they manifest, they do so as a group of silent, watchful figures, representing their collective nature. ==== Weaknesses ==== Their greatest strength is also their most profound weakness: **their dependency on the Ragnarok cycle**. They are parasites who require a host. They cannot create their own energy; they can only harvest it from the stories of others. When Thor broke the cycle, he did not kill them in a conventional battle. Instead, he //starved// them. By ending the story of Asgard's death and rebirth, he cut off their only known food source, effectively rendering them powerless and inert, adrift in their higher dimension without sustenance. === Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) === As previously established, Those Who Sit Above in Shadow do not exist in the MCU. Therefore, they have no mandate, structure, or nature within this continuity. The MCU's cosmic hierarchy is structured differently, with entities that fulfill different roles: * **[[celestials|The Celestials]]:** These beings are the "gardeners" of the universe, seeding planets with life to birth new Celestials. They are creators and judges, a role fundamentally different from the parasitic nature of Those Who Sit Above. * **[[eternity|Eternity]]:** The abstract embodiment of the universe itself, Eternity is a cosmic force that can grant wishes, as seen in `[[thor_love_and_thunder|Thor: Love and Thunder]]`. It is a fundamental building block of reality, not a predator that feeds on it. * **[[time_variance_authority|The Time Variance Authority (TVA)]]:** As seen in the `[[loki_series|Loki]]` series, the TVA functions as manipulators of destiny on a multiversal scale, pruning timelines to preserve a "Sacred Timeline." While they share the "puppet master" role, their motive is maintaining order (albeit for a sinister purpose), not feeding on cosmic energy. They are the closest functional analogue in the MCU, but their methods, nature, and goals are entirely different. ===== Part 4: Key Relationships & Network ===== Those Who Sit Above in Shadow have no allies or friends; their relationships are exclusively defined by their role as manipulators and consumers. Their entire network consists of the pawns in the cosmic game they orchestrated. ==== Core Adversaries ==== * **[[thor|Thor Odinson]]** \ Thor is simultaneously their most important character and their ultimate destroyer. For countless cycles, he was the unwitting protagonist of their favorite story. His heroism, his tragedies, and his epic battles were the primary source of the divine energy they craved. They relied on him to play his part, to fight valiantly, and to die gloriously, resetting the board for the next cycle. The final Thor, however, became something more. By achieving a level of enlightenment his predecessors never had, he transcended his role as a character in their story and became its editor. His defiance, his refusal to die, and his act of shattering the Loom of Fates was a direct assault on their very existence. He is the slave who broke his chains and starved his masters. * **[[odin|Odin Borson]]** \ Odin was their first and most persistent prisoner. He was the only Asgardian in most cycles to realize the true nature of their reality. His entire long, and often tragic, reign was a cold war fought against an enemy he could not name and his people could not comprehend. He lived with the terrible knowledge that his children, his friends, and his entire civilization were cattle being raised for slaughter. His schemes, his deceptions, and his relentless pressure on Thor were all desperate gambits to break the cycle. He was the Sisyphus of Asgard, constantly pushing the boulder of hope up the hill, only to have it roll back down with every turn of the Ragnarok wheel. His struggle made him a compelling character, which in a dark, ironic twist, likely made the energy he produced all the more satisfying for his unseen tormentors. * **[[loki|Loki Laufeyson]]** \ If Thor was the hero, Loki was the pre-ordained villain, a role just as crucial for the story to function. As the God of Mischief and the catalyst for Ragnarok, Loki's actions were the trigger for the entire cataclysm. His betrayals, his schemes, and his pacts with Asgard's enemies like Surtur were all necessary plot points in the narrative woven by Those Who Sit Above. He believed he was acting out of his own free will, ambition, and resentment, but in reality, he was merely fulfilling a script written for him countless times before. He was the perfect antagonist, ensuring the story always reached its dramatic and energy-releasing conclusion. ==== Affiliations ==== Those Who Sit Above in Shadow have only one true affiliation: the very concept of **[[ragnarok|Ragnarok]]** itself. They are not merely associated with it; they are its cause and its sole beneficiary. They are also intrinsically linked to the **Loom of Fates**, the cosmic artifact that served as the primary instrument of their control over the Asgardian destiny. They have no other known connections to other cosmic beings like Galactus, the Celestials, or the Living Tribunal, suggesting their sphere of influence was intensely and specifically focused on Asgard and the Nine Realms. ===== Part 5: Iconic Events & Storylines ===== The history of Those Who Sit Above in Shadow is entirely contained within one singular, earth-shattering storyline that redefined Thor's world. === Thor: Ragnarok (Thor Vol. 2 #80-85) === This story arc, colloquially known as "Ragnarok" or sometimes "Thor Disassembled," is the definitive and sole appearance of Those Who Sit Above in Shadow. The narrative begins with Loki discovering the means to create ultimate Mjolnirs for his own army, forging them at the same forge as Thor's hammer. This act precipitates the final Ragnarok. Asgard is besieged by its enemies, and its gods begin to fall one by one. Thor's arc within the story is one of painful, cosmic discovery. He witnesses the death of his closest friends and allies and realizes that this has all happened before. To find the truth, he must go beyond what his father did. He travels to the Norns, the weavers of fate, and sees that they are helpless. He then repeats Odin's legendary sacrifice but takes it a step further: he plucks out //both// of his eyes and hangs himself from Yggdrasil. This ultimate act of sacrifice grants him the cosmic sight he needs. He sees the truth of reality: the endless, repeating cycle of birth and death, and the shadowy figures who feed upon it. He learns that Ragnarok is not a prophecy to be averted but a parasitic cycle to be broken. Empowered with the Odinforce and the mystical knowledge of the Runes, Thor becomes Rune King Thor, one of his most powerful incarnations. He confronts Those Who Sit Above in Shadow directly, appearing on their plane of existence. They appear before him as silent, shadowed versions of the Asgardian pantheon. They do not fight him with force but with ideology, explaining that he is merely a story, a shade, and that his purpose is to provide them with meaning and sustenance. Thor's ultimate move is one of profound rebellion. He acknowledges their power but refuses to accept their premise. He breaks the Loom of Fates, declaring that even a shadow can forge its own destiny. He returns to the final battle, but instead of trying to stop Surtur, he allows the fire giant to destroy the physical realm of Asgard, but only //after// he has ensured the spirits and essence of the Asgardian people are safe, putting them into a deep slumber to be awakened later. By doing this, he ends the cycle on his own terms. Asgard dies, but the story does not reset. The cycle is broken, and Those Who Sit Above in Shadow are left with nothing, their grand feast turning to famine. This event permanently altered Thor's trajectory, leading to his eventual return and the establishment of a new Asgard on Earth. ===== Part 6: Variants and Alternative Versions ===== Due to their specific and meta-narrative role in a single, definitive storyline, Those Who Sit Above in Shadow have not appeared in alternate realities or other media in any significant way. Their existence is intrinsically tied to the breaking of the Earth-616 Asgardian cycle. However, their concept can be compared to other reality-shaping entities in the Marvel multiverse. ==== Conceptual Analogues ==== * **[[beyonders|The Beyonders]]:** The Beyonders are a mysterious, immensely powerful race from outside the Marvel multiverse. Their goal during the 2015 `[[secret_wars_2015|Secret Wars]]` event was the destruction of the entire multiverse. While they are also "gods of gods" in terms of raw power, their motivation is nihilistic destruction and experimentation, not sustenance. They operate on a multiversal scale, whereas Those Who Sit Above had a very specific, local focus. * **The Marquis of Death:** A reality-warping mutant of immense power who traveled from universe to universe, destroying them for his own amusement. Like Those Who Sit Above, he treated entire realities as his personal playthings, but his motivations were rooted in sadism and boredom, not a biological need to feed. * **Chaos and Order:** Lord Chaos and Master Order are abstract cosmic entities that represent fundamental forces of the universe. They manipulate events and agents (like the In-Betweener) to maintain the cosmic balance. They are architects of reality, but their purpose is to uphold a universal structure, not to farm a specific race for energy. These analogues highlight the unique nature of Those Who Sit Above in Shadow. They were not interested in cosmic balance, universal destruction, or abstract principles. They were simply cosmic predators with a very refined palate. ===== See Also ===== * [[thor]] * [[ragnarok]] * [[asgard]] * [[odin]] * [[loki]] * [[surtur]] * [[rune_king_thor]] ===== Notes and Trivia ===== ((The storyline that introduced Those Who Sit Above in Shadow, "Ragnarok," served as the "final" Thor story before a brief hiatus. The character and his title were relaunched in 2007 by writer J. Michael Straczynski and artist Olivier Coipel, which depicted Thor's return and his quest to restore the slumbering Asgardians, now in human hosts, on Earth.)) ((The concept of a "story" having power is a recurring theme in Marvel, particularly in the mythology of Loki, who in later years would become the "God of Stories." The arc featuring Those Who Sit Above can be seen as an early and profound exploration of this meta-narrative idea.)) ((Rune King Thor, the version of the character powerful enough to defeat Those Who Sit Above, is widely considered one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe, possessing near-omniscient and omnipotent capabilities.)) ((Source Material: The primary and essential reading for this topic is //Thor// (Vol. 2) #80-85, written by Michael Avon Oeming.)) ((The name "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow" is intentionally evocative and mysterious, as they were never given a proper species name, enhancing their nature as unknowable, Lovecraftian horrors.))